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Started by Meg Waite Clayton. Last reply by Majanka Verstraete yesterday. 2040 Replies 15 Likes
Do tell us what you're writing about - i.e. your current work in progress. If you have a finished book and a cover to share, please do that on the…Continue
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Started by Meg Waite Clayton. Last reply by Majanka Verstraete yesterday. 519 Replies 22 Likes
I've noticed quite a few names I recognize around here. If you've published a novel or have one coming soon, do tell us about it here. Please feel free to put up a cover, but do please try to keep it…Continue
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I recently had my first novel published and must admit that while there isn't anything artistically wrong with the cover I just don't feel like it properly sells the story. The cover is for an…Continue
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Started by Karen A. Wyle. Last reply by Petrea Burchard on Thursday. 2 Replies 0 Likes
Ta-da! It's release day for Reach: a Twin-Bred novel, the sequel to Twin-Bred. Twin-Bred addressed the question: can interspecies diplomacy begin in the womb? Reach, set on the planet Tofarn and…Continue
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Started by E.C. Diskin. Last reply by Laura Brennan on Wednesday. 9 Replies 2 Likes
Fellow writers, I just wanted to share a little joy and shout out a thank you to everyone in this group because though I've not been a frequent poster, I've been following discussions for more than a…Continue
Started by Leanne Sparks. Last reply by Yolanda Renee May 12. 22 Replies 0 Likes
So, everything I have read indicates that it is imperative to have your WIP looked over by a professional prior to submitting to agents/publishers. Any good advice on how to find a reputable editor?…Continue
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@Dana Thanks so much for those resources!!!
@Susan What you've said makes SO MUCH SENSE. I love the idea of scene cards. I will do that. I will also go through a long, linear edit. I've been going back and editing here and there, but have yet to read the ms from start to finish since I completed it. And you're so right...I finished the first draft pretty much so I could say: "K! Done!". Thank-you for your wisdom and insight. I learn so much every time I visit this site!!!
@Andrea Thanks for those resources. Not sure why, but writing a query letter scares me.... I will take all the help I can get!!
@Karen...I wrote a few flashbacks in my first novel, but I don't have any particular formula, or good, solid advice on how to do it. I just wrote them in and hoped that I managed to create clear transitions. So far, I haven't gotten any feedback saying that the flashbacks were confusing. I think I wrote them as separate chapters from the present-day chapters.
@Dana...I love reading Miss Snark, too.
Danielle --
Like others have said, work on your manuscript before going to editors with it. There are some really good books on structure -- you didn't mention what genre you're writing in, but Christie Craig co-wrote a really good one about romances. You don't have to follow everything in it, but the way she suggests pacing and how to build a book in acts is very useful for any genre.
Also, one other thing that helps is going back through your ms., chapter by chapter, and making either scene cards or an outline. That'll help you see where your structure is weak and what you wrote that truly doesn't belong.
Don't query until the manuscript is in a form that's ready to show. Another amazing source is Janet Reid's Query Shark site. Read the archives and you'll learn volumes. If you're brave, once you've done that (but only after you're familiar with it!), submit your own query.
As for an editor, go through at least one major revision before hiring it out, preferably more. If you're truly lost for structural issues, look for someone who will help with exactly that, but know that you'll need a few more rounds of revisions and work before it's submission ready.
I always say to people that the purpose of the first draft is to get to the end. It's in revision that the real craft of fiction writing comes into play.
Good luck!
Comment by Dana Alexander on February 19, 2012 at 10:04pm Danielle,
Being open is the best way to go. Some things will sound right for change and others you'll know just won't work for the direction you want to take the story. Nathan's site is awesome, and so is Bookends.com. Jessica Faust has helpful blogs and even query examples that got a request. Miss Snark- (another literary agent-anonymous) is excellent too--so much is out there.
Judith,
I couldn't agree more about flashbacks being a can of worms, along with prologues! And I'm glad that using them worked for your novel and that some were used in the screen adaptation. That's so cool. I think the key is that they have to be done right and not be a huge info dump. I also received the same good advice you gave Karen.
Comment by Valerie Brooks on February 19, 2012 at 9:16pm Thanks for the note about my blog, Autumn. I appreciate it.
Thanks Dana! That website is awesome...I've bookmarked it :)
Yes, my grammar and spelling are fine. The thing I need the most help with is structure. I have never written fiction before (not since high school) and so while I really believe in my story, I know that I will need to be open to changes.
Boy, are you opening up a can of worms, Karen. There are so many opinions about flashbacks (just like prologues) that it's hard to get a straight answer. They're in; they're out; they're poison, they're fine. My novel is written in the present day about a group of women who grew up in the 1950s. Obviously, flashbacks to their growing-up-years are critical to the story. Yet, several writing teachers, agents, and the like told me not to use them. Bottom line, I did. And now the book has been optioned for the big screen and the screenwriter who adapted it into a screenplay include some of the flashbacks.
My advice, if the flashbacks are critical to the story and your transitions are smooth, use them.
Judith Marshall
Author of "Husbands May Come and Go but Friends are Forever"
Wondering (on my blog and in my head) about using flasbacks in my WIP YA novel. http://carpekeyboard.blogspot.com/
I'd love your thoughts on Flashbacks as a literary device.
Comment by Dana Alexander on February 19, 2012 at 5:28pm Congratulations, Danielle! It's a huge sense of accomplishment. Now the real work begins in revisions! :)
I found a content editor was extremely useful. But that was after several edits I did to revise. For me, grammar and spelling were pretty clean. It's smart to edit and polish it before pursuing agents. Query letters are no easy task (a whole different ballgame, in fact), but there is a lot of good info out there. Nathan Bransford (former agent) has an excellent site for tips: http://blog.nathanbransford.com/2009/06/writing-advice-database.html
Best wishes!
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