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Permalink Reply by dianejwright on July 20, 2011 at 8:53pm

Totally, yes. There's payola all the time though, one way or another. And you can see why when people rely so much on reviews for making purchasing decisions. That makes it difficult for independent reviewers, though, doesn't it? How are they supposed to make a living when indie publishers won't pay for their work? Then again, people barely pay for our books...Sticky.

Permalink Reply by Zetta Brown on July 21, 2011 at 6:30am

IMO, I think the best thing that indie reviewers can do--apart from writing excellent reviews--is gain a following and charge for ad space on their site/blog/magazine/whatever as they grow in popularity.

Think of some of the more popular review sites/blogs out there and you'll see that many of them sell ad space--and that space ain't cheap. The reason it ain't cheap is because they have built a not only a loyal following but a huge following, and have established a reputation. It may have taken years, but they've done it.

For example, we just recently paid for an ad campaign for one of our books on the RAWSistaz Literary Group site. They don't accept payment for reviews, but sell ad space. They get tons of submissions for reviews and it can take a while for your review to appear, but we decided to invest in an ad because it will reach part of the target audience for this particular book faster than waiting on their review--which we may do at a later date. But not only that, their site is awesome. It is a resource and not just a "review" site.

Reviewing books has a cost. There's the cost of the book (if it's not sent by the author/publisher), but there's cost in the amount of time it takes to read the book and write the review. I don't think people remember this.

Time IS money.

I don't begrudge a reviewer who wants to get paid for their time in some way. At least paying for ad space can remove the ethical question somewhat, but I'm sure if people want to get picky and say "why let someone pay for an ad on your site, especially if the book wouldn't meet your standards?" To that I say see my answer above about time and money.

If a reviewer wants to charge for their review--they can--and they will find people willing to pay. They just won't review any of our books :)

To each, his/her own.

Permalink Reply by Zetta Brown on July 21, 2011 at 6:13am

We've never paid for a book review because in our opinion that's not a review but a paid endorsement. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you want to do but call it what it is.

I know there are some people and places that accept payment or donations.  Even the esteemed Kirkus Reviews has/had a pay-for-review option with their Kirkus Discoveries but many (not all, but many) authors and publishers look down on Kirkus Discoveries review as being paid advertorials (and poorly written) and not as prestegious as a Kirkus Review and a way for Kirkus to cash in on those books their "normal" review doesn't review--like PODs and self pubs.

Some of the bigger, high traffic sites make money by selling ad space on their sites. You don't have to have them review your book, but if you want to pay to place an ad where it's bound to get a lot of visibility--go for it. It's a win-win.

But, if you find a place that accepts payment for a book review and you're comfortable with it, then it's your right to do so. It's your money and your choice. :)

Permalink Reply by Joanne C. Hillhouse on July 20, 2011 at 3:39pm

Great post, btw.

Permalink Reply by Zetta Brown on July 21, 2011 at 6:14am

Ta, very much! :D

Permalink Reply by Jeannette Kantzalis on August 26, 2011 at 1:54pm

I think what scares me most about reviewers and bloggers not getting back to me is this simple fact:  If they liked it, they would've contacted me and I would've most certainly heard about the review.  

But it won't stop me from trying to find my audience.  And that's the key.  Send it out to people you feel would really get your style and your story.  Don't shoot for "big", shoot for "right".

 

Permalink Reply by Judith Marshall on August 26, 2011 at 5:23pm

Don't fret, Jeannette (Oooh, I made a rhyme.)  When my novel first came out, I sent it to several reviewers and a few never responded, even when I followed up.  Just chalk it up to them being irresponsible or just disorganized.

Permalink Reply by Shawn Lamb on September 15, 2011 at 1:40pm

What ticks me off about the process?  Learning about a growing segment of readers and their utter dependency upon reviews to make up their mind about purchasing a book!  I can understand doing research about major purchases, but not total reliance upon the opinions of others about books to read.

This is what puts pressure on authors and drives them and publishers to buy reviews. I did extensive research on the topic and a  blog post in August titled "Honest Reviews?" http://allonbooks-thekingdomofallon.blogspot.com/2011/08/honest-rev...

The demand has gotten out of hand and in ways I refuse to participate, even if it means I don't have the hundreds of reviews every so-called media specialist says I should have.

Permalink Reply by Regina Y. Swint on September 16, 2011 at 11:09am

Well, shucks.  I'm not terribly familiar with the review process, but I've sent out dozens of requests/inquiries for reviews of my indie-published (POD) book, and the responses were few.  Newspapers, magazines, TV and radio shows, etc.  Without much luck at all.  Of those who did respond, they only were kind enough to tell me that they would not review my book.  That's all okay, I suppose.  It's a learning experience.

Of the few reviews I've gotten, they've mostly been positive.  I think one reviewer might have given me a less than favorable review because the subject matter ticked her off, more that the writing or the story's credibility.  The story is about a girl who is having an affair with a married man, and later makes friends with his wife, but still continues the affair.  Eh.  Very unwholesome subject, so I get it.  These reviews were all on Amazon and Barnes & Noble sites, and to be fair, most were from people who know me personally.  The not-so-good one was from a book club reader/reviewer.  And I also paid for a review from Foreword Clarion Reviews, just to get the opinion of another stranger.

I also buy books from other indie writers and offer reviews.  I honest, but not unkind.  I think that's the way a good review should be.

Permalink Reply by Sue Ann Bowling on September 22, 2011 at 2:36pm

I got two "paid" reviews on my first book, though one was part of a contest entry. Both were 5 star, BUT I went back and checked ALL of the ratings on the ForeWard Clarion reviews of science fiction. Of the ones posted at that time, only 2 (including mine) were 5 star. Most of the rest were 4 star and 3 star (about 15 each) and the one and two stars probably weren't all posted, as the author did have the right to opt out of having a review posted. On the contest I took 2nd place in science fiction, so again I think that review was honest. I think you have to look at the overall review history to know whether a paid review is honest.

Permalink Reply by Patricia Sands on September 23, 2011 at 12:08am

Wow! I MUST follow SheWrites more closely - finding the time is the problem. What an excellent discussion thread! Hi Sue Ann, you and I know each other from iUniverse. I agree that ForeWord Clarion is an excellent review site. They seem to give very honest reviews and if it happens to be one that doesn't suit the author they offer an opt out clause. What astounds me about some of the reviews I have read from other "indie" reviewers is the terrible grammar! I always wonder why an author would even consider such a reviewer. 

Zetta, I wasn't aware of the option of buying ad space and the positive results that might be achieved through that. Does SheWrites have a list of those websites anywhere or suggestions as to a few reputable names? ( I made a note of RAWsistaz, thanks!)

Thanks to all for the excellent information and opinions shared here. Shawn, I'm going to read your post about reviews now.

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